Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Looking at putting an air to air IC on the Front of a TD42 GQ...
There is a lot of well (cheap) priced Bar and plate coolers on ebay
eghttp://cgi.ebay.com.au/FRONT-MOUNT-INTE ... dZViewItem

How much better is tube and fin?

You pay for what you get but I wont but running huge boost but more than 10 would be nice.

These guys make very decent units...

http://www.justjap.com/parts_nintercoolers.htm

cheers

z

Bar and plate intercoolers only work well if they have a large proportion of their surface area exposed to the airflow ie on the front of your truck. I think mack trucks etc use them. Tube and fin coolers efficiency is dependent on the amount of fins. more = better cooling. So a small t and f cooler does the same job as a much larger b and p cooler.
This is all getting remembered from about 5 years ago when I turdo'd my subaru brumby so I could well be remembering it all wrong, feel free to correct me.
At the end of the day, if you are going to up the boost on your patrol then either type of intercooler isnt going to hurt. try the bar and plate and if it doesnt do the job sell it on ebay and buy a tube and fin off a wrx

zzzz wrote:These guys make very decent units...

http://www.justjap.com/parts_nintercoolers.htm

cheers

z

They have an EBay store as well
http://stores.ebay.com.au/JUST-JAP-AUTO ... idZ2QQtZkm

v840 wrote:Bar and plate intercoolers only work well if they have a large proportion of their surface area exposed to the airflow ie on the front of your truck. I think mack trucks etc use them. Tube and fin coolers efficiency is dependent on the amount of fins. more = better cooling. So a small t and f cooler does the same job as a much larger b and p cooler.
This is all getting remembered from about 5 years ago when I turdo'd my subaru brumby so I could well be remembering it all wrong, feel free to correct me.
At the end of the day, if you are going to up the boost on your patrol then either type of intercooler isnt going to hurt. try the bar and plate and if it doesnt do the job sell it on ebay and buy a tube and fin off a wrx

pretty much what I was thinking, its not gunna hurt.

Only thing I have heard is that bar and plate has slightly more pressure drop.

blackmav wrote:

v840 wrote:Bar and plate intercoolers only work well if they have a large proportion of their surface area exposed to the airflow ie on the front of your truck. I think mack trucks etc use them. Tube and fin coolers efficiency is dependent on the amount of fins. more = better cooling. So a small t and f cooler does the same job as a much larger b and p cooler.
This is all getting remembered from about 5 years ago when I turdo'd my subaru brumby so I could well be remembering it all wrong, feel free to correct me.
At the end of the day, if you are going to up the boost on your patrol then either type of intercooler isnt going to hurt. try the bar and plate and if it doesnt do the job sell it on ebay and buy a tube and fin off a wrx

pretty much what I was thinking, its not gunna hurt.

Only thing I have heard is that bar and plate has slightly more pressure drop.

so if it has a slightly higher pressure drop, cant you knock up the boost a touch to compensate it?

Yeah but that means the turbo works harder, which creates more heat that the cooler has to dissipate.

Generally T&F coolers are a little less restrictive and a touch more efficient because they have turbulaters (small fins) inside the tubes, which cool the air beter due to greater surface area.

However its heaps easier to source B&P cores in different sizes, and they're easier to cut down & weld end tanks on, in my experience.

Call Fluid Dynamics in Hallam, Victoria. They make & can supply differnt sized bar & plate cores, sometimes off the shelf. Failing that try PWR.

A few years ago I was quoted ( for core only, no tanks) $450-$500 for one at 600mm long, 400mm high, by 75mm thick.

zzzz wrote:These guys make very decent units...

http://www.justjap.com/parts_nintercoolers.htm

cheers

z

WOW $200 for a decent sized bar/plate IC. That is a bargain! They are obviously cheapo Chinese or Taiwanese imports — do you know for sure that the quality is 'decent'.
At that price I may have to get myself one!

John H wrote:

zzzz wrote:These guys make very decent units...

http://www.justjap.com/parts_nintercoolers.htm

cheers

z

WOW $200 for a decent sized bar/plate IC. That is a bargain! They are obviously cheapo Chinese or Taiwanese imports — do you know for sure that the quality is 'decent'.
At that price I may have to get myself one!

agree, maybe if someone is getting one a wrigh up on the quality??? might just be interested in one myself

John H wrote:

zzzz wrote:These guys make very decent units...

http://www.justjap.com/parts_nintercoolers.htm

cheers

z

WOW $200 for a decent sized bar/plate IC. That is a bargain! They are obviously cheapo Chinese or Taiwanese imports — do you know for sure that the quality is 'decent'.
At that price I may have to get myself one!

They sell hundreds of them to the japanese performance car crowd.
Their reputation is very good as far as I have heard.
I will be getting a FMIC setup for my skyline shortly so if you can hold out a week or so I can tell you precisely what the qualisty is like.

I don't think you will have an issue

cheers

z

You will need to cut

Half the milk crate backing from your plastic grill

The bottom bits of the grill which clip to the front of GQ
replaced them with cable ties thay break awanyway

Pending on how you ...we run it ? mabe a bit of iner front gard behind the plastic
crap above wheel

You will need to remove bonnet catch support

Move horn

Holesaw bigarse holes right next to headlights
Which is 930MM I think between the head lights so rember that when getting your end tanks made up as a 65mm bend is close to 200mm long

Your bonnet may only just close if you run one a pipe over the top of the engine to get to the intercooler '' It gets tight near washer bottle .

The most $$$$ will be spent in the rubber hoses to join it all togther.

And don`t forget extra hose to act as a flexi either side of the intercooler so it dont shake to bits

I NEED A BEER NOW IM STUFFED

Steve

stool wrote:You will need to cut

Half the milk crate backing from your plastic grill

The bottom bits of the grill which clip to the front of GQ
replaced them with cable ties thay break awanyway

Pending on how you ...we run it ? mabe a bit of iner front gard behind the plastic
crap above wheel

You will need to remove bonnet catch support

Move horn

Holesaw bigarse holes right next to headlights
Which is 930MM I think between the head lights so rember that when getting your end tanks made up as a 65mm bend is close to 200mm long

Your bonnet may only just close if you run one a pipe over the top of the engine to get to the intercooler '' It gets tight near washer bottle .

The most $$$$ will be spent in the rubber hoses to join it all togther.

And don`t forget extra hose to act as a flexi either side of the intercooler so it dont shake to bits

I NEED A BEER NOW IM STUFFED

Steve

And don't you forget it

Stool,

I take it you have an I/C fitted to your rig in the exact way you described? if so, do you have pics as im puttin a turbo on my 4.2 next week, and want to I/C it soon after,

all help appreciated,

ozy1 wrote:Stool,

I take it you have an I/C fitted to your rig in the exact way you described? if so, do you have pics as im puttin a turbo on my 4.2 next week, and want to I/C it soon after,

all help appreciated,

its a 2.8 so may have different pipes but the mounting of the cooler is very neat, I was just going to cut a big ass hole in the grill.
should be well into mine within the next month.

I'm thinking about getting a tank with the inlet and outlet on the same side to try and avoid the long runner up and over the motor.
Pretty sure they are just called a double pass IC.
Or one of these http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FMIC-Turbo-Inter ... dZViewItem

John H wrote:

zzzz wrote:These guys make very decent units...

http://www.justjap.com/parts_nintercoolers.htm

cheers

z

WOW $200 for a decent sized bar/plate IC. That is a bargain! They are obviously cheapo Chinese or Taiwanese imports — do you know for sure that the quality is 'decent'.
At that price I may have to get myself one!

Actually here is a link that has them for $175
http://www.justjap.com/forumcoolerspecial.htm

You had better say you are a member of the skylines australia forums (SAU)
http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums ... =82006&hl=

cheers

z

blackmav wrote:

ozy1 wrote:Stool,

I take it you have an I/C fitted to your rig in the exact way you described? if so, do you have pics as im puttin a turbo on my 4.2 next week, and want to I/C it soon after,

all help appreciated,

its a 2.8 so may have different pipes but the mounting of the cooler is very neat, I was just going to cut a big ass hole in the grill.
should be well into mine within the next month.

I'm thinking about getting a tank with the inlet and outlet on the same side to try and avoid the long runner up and over the motor.
Pretty sure they are just called a double pass IC.
Or one of these http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FMIC-Turbo-Inter ... dZViewItem

im aware that he is running the 2.8, but i love pics, and to see the way its mounted and pipe work would be sweet,

one other thing having the outlets on the one side, like the pic above is going to make the run from I/C to inlet longer, would be easier if you had inlet and outlet different sides id think,




as in

| |
-[ic]-

instead of


____| |
-[ic]---

and running a pipe accross the top will reduce air flow to radiator,

Sorry ive got no idea how to post photos .But dont worry about water temps as mine was alawys in the red untill i fitted the cooler which covers the whole radiator` now the water temps stays cool all the time

Stool, if its easier, could you possible email the pics to me?

it would be much appreciated,

Ile see if the GF can help me out on that one. Ile get back to ya Ozy

Email sent to Ozy with photos

dude, thanks for the pics,

now id love to post them up, but for some reason i can look at them in my email, but as soon as i save them they are not working, so if anyone wants to see these let me know, and i can pass them on and we can see if we can get em online,

thanks again for the pics dude